Wednesday, November 07, 2007

FINNISH SCHOOL SHOOTING AND DARWINISM

A gunman has shot seven others in a tragic Finnish school shooting. For once the perpetrator was "captured" alive. Apparently he posted a YouTube video of himself before the shooting:
"The video shows a picture of a building by a lake and two photos of a young man holding a gun. Going by the username Sturmgeist89, the person who posted the video calls himself a "social Darwinist" who would "eliminate all who I see unfit". "Sturmgeist" means storm spirit in German."
Clearly we need to stop teaching Darwinian evolution in schools; that's the kind of freaks it engenders. Clearly we also should stop practising capitalism; in a socialist society Paris Hilton would never have had the kind of wealth she has to splatter herself all over the press.

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Blogger Patrix said...

I'm sure the anti-evolution bandwagon is going to be all over this story. But then in a way, if God existed he would act just like the shooter did, right? He would use hurricanes and earthquakes instead. They are, after all, acts of God.

12:07 PM  
Blogger Ashutosh said...

True! That's the problem; and all these religious folks should also admit that God takes credit for deformed babies, collapsing galaxies, violent phenomena in the universe and the extinction of 99% of species on earth. O, but I am sure all that was for His own good reason, for who can know His mind...
Boy, I can't wait to be tickled by Fox news tonight!

12:11 PM  
Blogger Lee said...

" ... if God existed he would act just like the shooter did, right? He would use hurricanes and earthquakes instead. They are, after all, acts of God."

Sounds good on paper, but if there is an active God (angels, spirit guides, gods, etc), they don't control natural events. The engineering team at GM cranks out a car for you, but then you determine how to use it, and if an accident occurs (or the road washes away), hey, you're on your own!

In a similar way, you're given a venue here, and whatever happens, happens. It's called free will.

Regarding Ashutosh's 'religious folk' if they only knew ...

We're given free rein here, and of course, free will. That in a nutshell is the equivalent of what Christians refer to as "the fall."

The 'design' process, over eons, utilized a form of evolution, but with 'intervention.' Try to refocus your thinking away from what academia insists is correct. The plethora of evidence for evolution is really more evidence of 'design.'

6:39 PM  
Blogger Ashutosh said...

This assertion that God does not interfere in human and natural events is admittedly not one that is shared by most mainstream Christians. It would be wonderful if it were the case and while it still is an unproven assertion, I would be far happier to accept this view of God.

About evolution and design, I suggest that you read some books, especially Ken Miller's "Finding Darwin's God" as well as the early Dawkins books. What you refer to is the appearance and impression of design, and Darwin proved exactly the fact that it is only an impression, and not design itself.

8:15 PM  
Blogger Lee said...

Richard Dawkins is more of a philosopher than a zoologist. I've read most of his books. I have Millers book and have skimmed it, as well as listened to many of his talks, including his current Q & A on Nova.

He walks a thin line, being a deist Catholic, as well as a materialist. He leans toward a prewound universe, and feels that the question of 'evil' precludes God from intervening (or having created anything) directly.

I take the position that intervention (genetic engineering) has been going on for a long, long time, but not by a supreme over seer (if extant), but by surrogates, possibly spirit entities. I also believe that humans are spirit within the physical body, and have directly experienced evidences of that.

Since I'm not selling religion, nor a book, you might consider that I'm being honest with you.

Cheers

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I take the position that intervention (genetic engineering) has been going on for a long, long time, but not by a supreme over seer (if extant), but by surrogates, possibly spirit entities.


That position is completely contradictory to current scientific understanding and there are many logical problems.

For example, by what mechanism would "spirit" entities exert force on the genes to change it? The only forces we know are the Strong force, weak force, electromagnetic or gravitational? Are the spirit entites made of charges, atoms, etc to exert these physical, measurable forces? If so, how did THEY evolve to such complexity without natural selection?

So, IMO, while it's nice that you're being honest, you're also completely wrong and ignorant of science (in a good way, cause you're honest about it. Which means, you can pick up a science textbook and easily learn)

6:05 AM  

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